The link below will open a window to a petition I wrote around May 12 calling on John F. Kerry to resign from the senate, and from his run for the presidency. I wrote the petition after seeing Kerry's petition blasting Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and calling for his removal form his possition. Your signature would be appreciated.
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on May 14, 2004
Done. It won't have any impact, but I signed it.
on May 14, 2004
No signature here. Those signatures are ridiculous.

Not to mention a waste of time. Pick your battles.
on May 14, 2004
Kerry probably should step down in the wake of how traumatized Americans are with the Abu Ghraib scandal, because after all he has admitted to doing and witnessing far worse things, he told the senate that he or other soldiers “personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam.” So if Kerry doesn’t step down than that makes the Abu Ghraib guards at the very least, eligible to serve in the senate.
on May 14, 2004
The impact is that it is a small part of a grass roots effort to discredit a man who should have no credit. The more who sign the petition the better, but even a few signatures mean something.

If one is hoping to force Kerry to resign, that would be a foolish design. That will not be done until November. But the more outrage expressed the better. This may be a small voice, but it is a voice which can be added to others. If no one speaks out, there would be no voice at all.

You can keep your silence if you wish, but you will be part of the problem, if you do.
on May 14, 2004
>>Pick your battles.

I agree with the sentiment, but that's not a battle. It's basically a one-sided opinion poll so people can at least feel like they're having some input.
on May 14, 2004

All this talk of Kerry makes me wonder... What happened to the Democrat Party? Gore wasn't the best, but he was much better. At least he wasn't so dishonorable.


I signed it, just in the hopes that maybe it will get enough signatures to garnish some attention.

on May 14, 2004
Petition signed....hope it does some good...as Kerry and the rest of the USEFUL IDIOT crowd have not only made me sick but ashamed of the democratic party
on May 15, 2004
Just a note, internet petitions tend to be ignored by anyone who matters because there is no accurate way to determine whether the people who signed it are real or "shadows". Also, a person can sign an internet petition multiple times, whereas a physical petition can be checked against voter registration rolls.

Cheers
on May 15, 2004
blah, blah, blah, blah! America has a two party system. That means democrats get a chance to be president too, and the world doesn't fall off its axis (of evil). Live with it, you twerps. The Democratic Party has nowhere to go but up. Behind your rhetoric, you cons/neocons/populo-cons/fundigelists are a confused and dim witted bunch, and your stranglehold on American government will end in the years to come. I would prefer if the party would snap back into shape and start advocating limited government and cautious domestic and foreign policies again, but if they don't I think some major defections are in order. Or perhaps, and this is more likely than anything, America will just elect dem presidents to keep congress in shape. Of course you stupid populocons will still be waving flags and having orgasms for Bush long after the respectable members of the congressional GOP have blasted him for his planning of the war and threatened to stop supporting him. It's part of your subhuman, animal makeup. Make way for the yankees in the White House.
on May 15, 2004
Saint Ying wrote:

blah, blah, blah, blah!


And it went down hill from there. Ying, you have a right to your opinion, but so do those who disagree with you. Your insults and condecending attitude say more about you than it says about those you disparage.
on May 15, 2004
jeblackstar wrote:

Just a note, internet petitions tend to be ignored by anyone who matters because there is no accurate way to determine whether the people who signed it are real or "shadows". Also, a person can sign an internet petition multiple times, whereas a physical petition can be checked against voter registration rolls.


You are correct, and there are a few bogus names given as signatures in my petition, but all of the names have come in slowly as I have advertised the petition. If the names were all made up, it would have much more names on it by now.
on May 15, 2004
And it went down hill from there. Ying, you have a right to your opinion, but so do those who disagree with you. Your insults and condecending attitude say more about you than it says about those you disparage.


You have to play hard ball with types like you, because you don't respond to reason. Condescending attitudes? Perhaps you aren't getting my drift. You people need to be put in place and told how inferior you are. The liberal media doesn't do a good enough job, so leftists like me need to pick up the slack. It's the same thing that adults do to kids. Some kids act mature and can coexist with adults, but many are complete brats with low emotional and moral intelligence who need to be locked up in rooms with others of their ilk until they will agree to come out and be civilized again. So get your ass to bed and think about how you can come back tomorrow and bring an ounce of rational thought to the argument.
on May 15, 2004
Well said Saint Ying....but look at it this way....the louder the chattering right become, the more ridiculous petitions that they try and push just shows how worried they are that Kerry will win. These are the rusted on hard right (the only ones that will sign this stupid petition of course) trying hard to convince the swinging voter to support their man. They are not arguing from a position of logic just ideology which doesnt wash well with your swinging voter and, as they see themselves failing they will get louder and more extreme...Closer to the election, as Bushes incompetency is further exposed, the right wing media will get very vocal and strident for the same reason. So sit back and enjoy the show as these ridiculous fools tie themselves in knots as Kerry's star rises.
on May 15, 2004
anthony r exemplifies exactly the type of precision and accuracy one can expect from net sources (and by extension net pettions):

he told the senate that he or other soldiers “personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam.” So if Kerry doesn’t step down than that makes the Abu Ghraib guards at the very least, eligible to serve in the senate.

here's what happened in real life when kerry testified before the senate foreign relations committee in 1971:

Kerry discussed a meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War called the "Winter Soldiers' Investigation," stating that "150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes." He said, "They told stories that at times they had raped, cut off ears," and committed other atrocities.

washington post editor-in-chief wesley pruden excerpted the quote out of context by elipsing the attribution to source. michael reagan picked up the quote and totally dropped the attribution. the la times compounded the error by indicating kerry had added the attribution after the fact.

wake up kiddies.

authoring or publishing erroneous, deliberately falsified, hoaxed 'testimony' as an authoritative source is unfair, evidences sloppy thinking and is potentially actionable. it's also a sin.
on May 15, 2004
Kingbee:
If you are going to argue with quotes you should use the whole thing and not just little snippets that suit your liking.

Statement by John Kerry to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations
April 23, 1971

"I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit - the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

"They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the Winter Soldier Investigation. The term Winter Soldier is a play on words of Thomas Paine's in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriots and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough."
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